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The importance of loving trolls

July 30, 2010

Trolls don’t just live under bridges, they hang out on Christian websites as well.  Trolls are people who post rude, abusive and sometimes disgusting content.  They are not interested in discussion only to cause trouble.  They are online bullies and a real nuisance.  So what do you do with them?  Well on Facebook, where they post regularly on my pages (Bible page and Jesus Christ page mainly) they are banned, meaning they can never return (with that profile) to the page.  And recently I started a chat room for Praying People that was a wonderful place to go and receive prayer and support, until some trolls camped in it..  and unfortunately the software I was using was not capable of banning them, so I had to take the sad and drastic step of closing the chat room altogether.  There are a number of us looking for alternatives as the chat room was a real blessing.  More news soon.

So is banning all we do?

Luke 6:27-31,35-36 reads:

“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Wow.  The challenge is to love the bullies, love those that abuse and cause strife.  A good friend of mine became a Christian as he heard, If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also and went up to a Christian friend of his and asked him if he believed it, the friend said he did, so my friend hit him.  The Christian literally turned his cheek, and my friend was so moved by his commitment that he started to explore the faith and eventually gave his live to Christ!

It is not that we are a door mat, door mats aren’t very good at showing love.  We are challenged to be loving in the face of rudeness and abuse.  The greek for being merciful is to be compassionate, to have a heart that considers the reality of the person being rude.  To love our enemies involves understanding why they do what they do, and from this pray for them, care for them, show them love in a way that is understanding of their trials.  It says, Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful and the Father knows my pain, and shows his love in a way that directly addresses my pain, in the same way I am to understand the pain behind the rudeness of those trolls and others who treat me badly, and then love them as best I can with that in mind.

But then.. well if the rudeness continues, if the abuse does not stop, then removing myself from the relationship, or removing them from the page, as in banning… well that is the only course of action.

So love the trolls and those who are rude to you, ban them if necessary (remove them from your life), but still keep loving them massively.

Love the challenge!

Bless ya,

Mark

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153 Comments
  1. lLYNN permalink

    i prayed for my abusers asking God to forgive them for what they had done to me,and even asked G0d not to hold the sin to their charge. but i have joined several causes on face book dealing with child abuse, and i get angry at the things some people have done to children. is it wrong for me to get angry about these things and to try fighting them?do i have to love the perpertrators of such hidious crimes against helpless children or the judges that give such light sentences that these people don’t even think twice about harming another child? it angers me that so little value is put on the life of a child. the ones who hurt them get anywhere from 30 days to 2 1/2 years, while for the child it’s a life sentence. something is very wrong with this picture.

    • lLYNN permalink

      Busted Bubbles and Broken Dreams, or The Faces of Abuse
      Don’t be fooled, life is not as it seems, it’s full of busted bubbles and broken dreams.Ahateful word said over here, a mean deed done over there.People hurting other people every where. Doesn’t anybodyreally care?
      Don’t be fooled, life is not as it seems, it’s full of busted bubbles and broken dreams.Mom and Dad, what were you thinking? Some one was hurt by your fighting and drinking. Accusing fingers are pointed, accusing words are spoken. Across the hall a precious little one lay broken.
      Don’t be fooled, life is not as it seems. It’s full of busted bubbles and broken dreams.There are men and women using young girls and boys. To them they’re not really human, just little sex toys. they’re blinded to the damage,and the numbing pain,as they use and abuse them again and again.
      Don’t be fooled, life is not as it seems, it’s full of busted bubbles and broken dreams.

      Lynn Sicard 2004

      • emma permalink

        that is very deep and true..its sad what our world has come too

      • Steve Gill permalink

        Hello Lynn…. I always enjoy your posts. Anger is never the problem. What we do with our anger is the problem.
        STORY TIME. I was an abuser. Maybe not the abuser that you “were crushed by”…. but I committed adultry in my marriage. A HATEFUL ACT. The story is rich with “God’s Forgiveness”. 3 days after I told my wife, the Lord came to my wife and told her to “be with me”. What a powerful testimony and yet it was the hardest time of our life also. Now I can tell you and others about it and “God will use that to bring people to Him”. Hurt always causes anger in “weak vessels”. We are just sinners. All of us. The rest of my story is even more revealing. Even though my wife (Whom I love with all my heart) forgave me, she still “hated” the act and treated me like …. well…. treated me not very good at times. It got harder and not easier. To make a long story short. She needed time. And I learned that God was telling me to give it to her so that we could both tell this story in our own way with the help of the Holy Spirit. Yes Lynn…. Adulterers, Abusers and even murderers like Paul are just one “eye opening” experience from knowing Christ. I think this passage is all about “love” in the most difficult way. Lynn…. be angry. Of course you hate the sin. That’s your Godly nature. But also begin to pray directly by name for these peoples souls. I know that many prayed for me when I was cheating on my wife and look what God did. He knows how to REPAIR everything. Love to you Lynn…. In Jesus name. Amen.

    • Kelly in OK permalink

      ILYNN – Consider this:

      an·ger
      n.
      A strong feeling of displeasure or hostility.
      v. an·gered, an·ger·ing, an·gers
      v.tr.
      To make angry; enrage or provoke.
      v.intr.
      To become angry:

      in·dig·na·tion
      n.
      1. Anger aroused by something unjust, mean, or unworthy. See Synonyms at anger.
      2. anger or scorn aroused by something felt to be unfair, unworthy, or wrong

      “is it wrong for me to get angry about these things and to try fighting them?’
      IMHO, absolutely not with a caveat … it depends on what you do with your indignation (for that is what it is).
      For instance, if you were to go out and murder those who perpetuate these crimes on children, that is exceedingly wrong.
      If on the other hand you are moved to work to help these children in a lawful manner (ie working to remove children from the hands of predators, informing others of the plight of abused children, working to change the laws that punish those who prey on children etc.) it is NOT wrong.
      Loving the sinner but not the sin does not preclude lawfully punishing those who break the law. Otherwise there would be no point in having laws in the first place.

      • Cindy permalink

        Great answer! Praying for all those who’ve been mistreated in any way.

      • Kathy permalink

        I totally agree with Kelly. Great answer! Anger is not a sin; it’s a normal emotion. Violent rage is a sin. People who have bursts of unreasonable, uncontrolled rage and take it out on the innocent victims are possessed by demons. I believe in stiff punishments for these crimes, but I also believe that locking them in a cell won’t solve their problem. Neither will anger management counseling. The demons need to be cast out!

        We should be angry when we see the horrors that are happening in the world! It also makes God angry – but I think His anger is rightfully directed at Satan.

    • We are commanded to forgive and to pray for our enemies; then in Ephesians we are commanded “in your anger do not sin.” God gave us the gift of anger to motivate us to correct injustices by means of the law and law givers. Yes. Stand with the abused and hurting while praying that the abusers come to the saving knowledge and grace of our Lord (and theirs) and Savior, Jesus Christ. Yes, even they may not acknowledge Him He is their Lord also maybe just not their Savior.

    • debbie permalink

      Hi iLynn….i can’t even begin to understand the things you went thru! I too cant understand how people can be sooooo cruel to children. I didn’t experience sexual abuse, i did experience verbal abuse by fellow children because of my looks. It hurts!! To this day if flavors the way I interact with people (i’m now 47). I have forgiven them though…and I know that sounds so trivial on the surface and I can say yes there is no real justice for the crimes of sexual abuse towards kids here on this earth….but iLynn that is the point, this earth is not all there is!!!!!! When those abusers face God the father, the HOLY God of the Universe….justice will be done. My circumstance is entirely diffrent than yours. Mine is not worthy of prosecuting…yours (and others) definately is!! I just try to keep “turning the page” so to speak and realize this earth is not all there is….I’m just passin thru til I get to go home with my Father and my real family…where heaven is our home of rightousness. There justice DOES reign supreme. So this too applys to the trolls on the bloggs. I find it amazing for the times I’ve encountered their hateful bloggs no-one really acknowledges them and I find my heart leaning towards praying for them, for no matter how harsh they are, Jesus said Father forgive them for they know not what they do. They have been (intentionally) blinded by the prince of this world. I will pray for you and I totally understand you and your point. Love to you a fellow sister in the Lord.

    • We are to pray for God’s blessing on them and to love them anyway. No matter what it is they have done.
      We have to be careful what we ask God to do to them or He may have to turn around and give us what we deserve! I often say, if I got what I deserved I would likely be a pile of ash.
      —-
      Our GOD should be the judge of the people not use. And the jury as well.
      You also have to realize that sometimes the biggest blessing or the greatest way to love someone is to allow them to hurt or go through struggles.

      Like when you have a hurt arm or leg and they have to clean it out to clear out the infection. The pain you go thru now is nothing like losing an arm or a leg.

      Love from GOD for some of us may be to just take us totally out of this world to not suffer any more or to not cause pain to others any more.

      The biggest thing I am trying to learn now is in all things TRUST GOD.

    • Jen permalink

      Hate the sin,not the sinner. You’re allowed to forgive/pray for/ care about the person but still believe what they did was wrong. And..I was just dealing with a troll on a Christian chatroom last night..I tried to lovingly explain what I believed and make a case for Christ, but he seemed to be there to cause trouble..not to judge. So I logged off,prayed for him,and went to bed.

    • Christina permalink

      I am too a child abuse survivor, because Jesus was there with me to help me through this. Lest I could have fallen apart or worse. Do not hate these perpetrators for Judgment Day comes for us all; but protect the innocent wherever and whenever you can.

    • Marian permalink

      I totally agree with what you are feeling. There is a terrible injustice in our legal system, especially with regard to children. It is an awful world. These and all the ugly actions of mankind, the hatred, etc., make God sad. His first intentions were for a utopia like the Garden of Eden. Unfortunately sin had it’s way and we are a fallen world until Jesus comes back again. One of the sad things about abuse, no matter what the abuse is that the abuser was once abused as well. There is a saying, “love the sinner, hate the sin”. Very often it is easier to say this than to live it. Sin is a terrible thing. Luke 17 addresses this: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones (either new to the faith or children) to sin. so watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him and if he repents, forgive him.” I hope this helps and is not too preachy. I can sense your anger and hurt. God Bless you.

    • Marian permalink

      Lynn, somehow the comment I had for you ended up going to DJ…. sorry for the mixup.

    • While you are supposed to love the sinner, you hate the sin. In other words, yes, you are supposed to love those who do harm to others, but hate the deed they are doing. This is especially difficult if you are a parent of an abused child, or have been abused yourself as a child or teenager. Remember too, it is not for us to judge, but to let God do that on judgement day.

    • tonya permalink

      No – it isn’t wrong to hate the behavior. God says that even He hates the behavior – He loves the sinner. I agree. It’s very hard to do… and you’ll probably have to remind yourself to do so every day until it becomes a habit. You may never see why He’s brought you through this, or the person that you’ll touch with your experience, but there is a reason… and He does love you. He asks us to do the same above all else. Just try. He’ll know. 🙂

  2. Noel G. De Guzman permalink

    Good job Bro. Mark!!!

    Hey, you know what? Actually what’s happening is not something new! The enemy devices a lot of schemes to put as down but no matter what they do they will not succeed!!! God, our Father is with us, and if He is with us who can be against us? By the name and through the blood of Christ, and by the power of the Holy Spirit working in you and in us …NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!

    The victory is ours!!! Amen!!!!!

  3. Jake permalink

    Unfortunately, some of the worst offenders when it comes to Internet trolls claim to be Christians. They – in my opinion – are the biggest challenge when it comes to turning the other cheek. Because when you do, they take the opportunity to punch you in the jaw… all in Christ’s name of course.

    Good blog Mark. xx

    • Ben permalink

      So incredibly well said.

    • Brenda permalink

      It helps me to love them when I know I don’t have to become their best-friend, just show some genuine compassion and kindness. Jesus never said “like them or their behavior”. Actually there are many warnings against that…

      1 Cor 15:32-34
      32 And what value was there in fighting wild beasts–those men of Ephesus–if there will be no resurrection from the dead? If there is no resurrection,
      “Let’s feast and get drunk,
      for tomorrow we die!”
      33 Don’t be fooled by those who say such things, for “bad company corrupts good character.” 34 Come to your senses and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don’t even know God.
      NLT

      So be kind, then run toward the encouragement of other Christ-followers. : )

      • Brenda permalink

        Sometimes I picture Jesus standing before those who “claim” to be God’s followers receiving blow after blow & eventually death on the cross. That always reminds me, that His suffering was far greater than my own and He is able to help me to do the right thing when I seek Him in those times. I begin to feel His love for the offender or the lost ones who think they are “Christians” but their actions & fruit prove otherwise.

        He whispers…”Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”
        Luke 23:34 KJV

    • Janet Wesseler permalink

      Yes, our biggest challenge can be Christians. But remember, when you pray for your enemy you are asking God to intervene not only on your behalf but it is obvious that the enemy needs more help than you. When your enemies call themselves a Christian, they may be a Christian on the infantile level. I speak from experience, not only have I been treated most of my life in the manner you describe, but it was from Christian family members. But I know if Jesus accepts them into heaven and eternal life, they will be changed.

    • Just want to take a moment and ask…when do you stop turning the other cheek,jaw etc. I have a few in-laws that are doing nothing but causing strife in our family…to put it mildly…no matter how much I keep trying to tell them to just stop and ignor them they just keep going. They are going so far ,because I wont respond to them, as to involve my two sons and 9 year old daughter, as well as my family , mom, sister an brothers…and the part that confuses me most is they are going after me with a vengeance..and I have asked several times “why?”…and they have not answered me. My husband has blocked them from our facebook and does not speak to them, and they continue to try to contact him..saying they love him and miss him and our daughter…they have done nothing but try to start rumors about me…call me names..an unfit mother…etc. , and my husband sees all this and tells them as long as they continue this he will have nothing to do with them. And so now they are trying to contact my mom…sister and other friends and family to get them invoved…I dont understand them..I have done everything to try to get them to stop…told them I dont want to fight..asking them to just stop and talk it out. They wont…and continue this behavior..my husband for the past year has just started going to church with me and we pray together all the time about this..I see how much it hurts him and is testing his faith…I am standing strong…but feel lost in finding a solution to stop all this…

  4. Merit Wolff permalink

    Don’t you think allowing them to have access could be the one chance to bring them to Christ? At some point they may read something that strikes the right chord finally. As tough and unpleasant as it can be to “tolerate” trolls- we are truly called to love them as Christians, The key thing for us to do, much like dealing with a whining child, is to ignore the whining- yet be strong and loving when responding.I guess this post struck a nerve with me – as I find this a challenge myself. Yet I know that Christ was tolerant and spoke in love to all the trolls He encountered.We don’t know what the pain behind the trollness is – but we need to love as we can only do through the love we have found in Christ Jesus!

    • wendi d permalink

      Merit, Yes, yes, yes! I agree. However, we also need to keep in mind that God has given each and every one of us gifts of our own and where we may be strong another may not be, but they in turn will be strong in an area that we are not.

    • Kathy permalink

      Merit, some of these trolls have been posting filthy porn on Mark’s groups. I saw something on the prayer chat room that was so disgusting! We don’t want our groups filled with that. Imagine if someone walked up to you in person and started saying all manner of filthy, degrading things to you. How long would you just stand there and take it? There is a limit to what we need to be subjected to. This is Satan’s way of trying to destroy what God is doing on Facebook. Of course, Facebook says porn is not allowed, but people get by with a lot.

    • andrea permalink

      merit, i agree with u 100%. to exclude these people or trolls is not the best answer.
      when i see violence and anger in these people i can have nothing but compassion for them my heart cries out to the Lord to save them!

  5. stupid permalink

    you are all

  6. Angel permalink

    Loving those who abuse you is a grand challenge. What if they abuse your love?

    • Linda permalink

      They most assuredly will, but Christ’s love was abused and what did He do? In all humility, He kept loving. I suppose humility is the key here isn’t it?

  7. Bobby O. permalink

    Well I certainly failed this test as for the last three days I’ve been hitting them as hard as they hit us…and in private HARDER. I guess I need to repent(again) of this. I have to admit that it has drained me emotionally and spiritually. I feel sort of distant from the Lord whereas when we were in PrayerChat I felt very close to the Lord and very led by the Spirit. I’m kind of hesitant to sit there and take it from these bullies as I know there are some people out there who can’t handle this type of vulgar abuse like I can…but God’s Word is God’s Word and I think it’s time for me to lay down my arms. God Bless everyone!! We hope the chat is back soon!!!

  8. So, in other words, don’t feed the trolls. Love on them, but don’t feed them. Right?

  9. vicki permalink

    Perhaps instead of closing the chatroom you could have asked everyone to pore on the love and pray for the bullies! Tell them how much Christ loved them.

    • Coke permalink

      Yeah! It would be so easy to be a christian if prayer would actually works… well…

  10. Carrie M. Stewart permalink

    All the way from Memphis, TN – you’re reaching everywhere. This is my first time reading one of your reflections. I was so drawn in and completely moved by what you said. Excellent job! I ran across the link on my FB and I am so happy to see you speak on this. I’ve witnessed “Trolls,” not only here, but on other sites as well. I try not to make it a habit to argue, but at the same time, I don’t want anyone talking down about God. So I tend to get very defensive. This reflection was most definitely a reminder of what to do with certain people.

    • Linda permalink

      Keep in mind that trolls are there to snare you. I don’t want to become entangled with them by their goading speech. I believe to ignore is best. I can pray for them without them knowing it.Unless, of course, God gives me something specific to say.

  11. Chaplain Steve permalink

    I loved your devo. it reminded of some of the people I deal with in prison. They need love and sometimes that love includes telling them they are offensive. I have with some people found the best kind of love is helping them see their ugly behavior. Once we help them see this we can then help them to meet Jesus who will make them into a new creature. I also remind myself that their behavior many times is they want attention and many times the only way they know how to get it is by being offensive. Sometimes I think as Christians we have became so thin skin that the slightest offence from a unbeliever we want to cut them off because they have been offensive. Just my thoughts

    • wendi d permalink

      Chaplain Steve, Thank you so much! You have no idea the impact your words have had on me. Though my husband believes in the Lord and has accepted Jesus as his Savior he is, in a sense, still in prison. He is an alcoholic and verbally abusive. He has not yet realized that he is free in Christ and that he no longer has to behave this way. The more I love him, the more he hates me. I recently told him that I no longer wanted to be with a man who carries more hate, disdain, and contempt in their heart than he does love. I felt so terrible for doing this. It is not what I wanted, but the children and I just can’t do it anymore. I love this man. I can see good in him, but he is unwilling to give anything over to God. All this time I thought I was wrong for lovingly trying to tell him that his behavior was unacceptable, but you have helped me to see it was not wrong at all. Thanks again and God Bless

      • Cheryl permalink

        I have been exactly where you are Wendy. I was married to a man that did the same things to me. I had to leave with my children. God protected me & still does. My children are grown with families of their own. It was the hardest thing I ever did but it was the best. God will see you through this I promise. God doesn’t want us to be abused verbally or physically or mentally. It will be the hardest thing you will ever do but in the end it will be the best. I will keep you in my prayers.

  12. Karen permalink

    By closing down your chat room or by banning “trolls”, you haven’t gained anything for the glory of God. Instead, why not keep the chat room open and continue modeling Christian behavior and talk. I don’t mean quoting scripture at those people you perceive as trolls, but instead showing them how God works in your life. My experience has been that if they don’t get a reaction, they will either be moved to leave or to engage in a more meaningful way. Reward the positive comments, and pray for the people making the negative ones.

    Thank you for your posts on Facebook. They have been very uplifting to me. Keep doing what you are doing for the glory of God.

    • wendi d permalink

      Amen Karen! How will they know if no one shows them?

    • sheila permalink

      I totally agree…Closing the chat room was their purpose..By doing so you have let them win…Show them love and ignore the things they say..They will either leave or become more interested in what is being discussed…Just my thoughts…Bless everyone..

    • Julie permalink

      I understand the thought behind trying to model love toward the trolls in a chat room, but I believe you must balance this with the needs of new believers that might be in the room also, whose faith would be shaken by such open, bullying skepticism. To my mind, that would be creating a stumbling block for these new believers. Also, the stated purpose was not to evangelize necessarily, but to support and uplift believers. Therefore, I believe it wise that the chat room was shut down if the security needed could not be provided.

    • wendi d permalink

      Thank you Cheryl for the encouragement. And thank you for your prayers : )

  13. Kellie Chambless permalink

    Thank you for the great words! We are studying forgiveness in my Sunday school group. Would you mind if I shared this with them (in print form)? Thank you in advance. Keep up the inspired work!

  14. Marjorie Bisac permalink

    This topic loving trolls was so hard for me to do it before that im not yet a christian. But now that the Holy spirit was with me i can control now myself. too much pain and hurt inside my heart before.and its not very hard to do now this coz really someone is guiding you.
    I experienced this also that when someone strikes u on ur cheek u turned the other one also. and in the beginning it hurts me a lot but God let me feel this kind of feeling coz ive been bad aslo to others before.And now i understand it how it really feels.
    Thank God for giving me a chance to be a good christian even that im so bad before….The holy spirit really touches my heart and im so greatfull.
    When im mad i just close my eyes and pray awhile asking for forgiveness and i dont want that the pain and madness will live in my heart.Thank u Lord for wat uve done to me…

  15. Some troll has created a fake page on facebook on me i will love the troll all the way to court…..

    • Brenda permalink

      Those who know you by your actions will know the page is fake. Report it to facebook as a fictitious profile and they should remove it. And remember God sees all and has the ability to handle all situations! : )

  16. Virginia permalink

    Jonah declared that all of Nineveh was troll-inhabited. Well, in a way. Yet God was not going to let Jonah get away with completing what God had declared that Jonah would do. Please remember that God does not need us to defend Him. The trolls need to see that all trolls are redeemable through the Love of Christ. The only way they will see that is for us to show that while WE were still trolls, God sent His Only Son to die for our sins. And remember Philippians 4:13, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”

    • Linda permalink

      I love that, Virginia!! While we were still trolls…….so true!

  17. Jenny permalink

    In a public forum like Facebook, I feel like some of the trolls are here because they are curious or maybe they used to be a part of some Christian circle, but left for some reason. They are angry or hurt and they are taking it out on us (“people who hurt people have been hurt themselves”). I always just ignore what they say (turn the other cheek) and don’t take it personally as I know what they are saying is not the truth. I agree with what another poster said that maybe something they read will light a spark in them. I wouldn’t ban them unless they were posting really horrific comments or links to “bad” websites, etc.

  18. Christopher arias permalink

    Our place n0wadays can seem to be decietful, 2 our youngsters and those who we gave imp0rtance. We have our dem0cracy to ourselves but why is it that we had to vi0late and deprive the rights and the privillege of others just to satistfy our ego? Im talking about tr0lls or those cyber bullies. They actually do n0t make sense. If they do n0t feel GOD’s love then why would they have to intrude in one of GOD’s blessed basillica? That chat room supposed to spread the h0ly messages and tighten the relati0nship that we convey with GOD.. I remembered, my dad once t0ld me in one of GOD’s pr0mises is that th0se who mistreat us will be put under our feet by the time of judgement. They just do n0t have the idea how little they are compared to our migthy GOD!.

    “In GOD’s providence we are blessed, those who accept him. Eternity is our endless resting place”

    • Karla permalink

      Did your father quote from Malachi 3:16-18? Just received this quote this morning and have it on my mind, then read your posting.

  19. camille moreno permalink

    well i’ve been living this for two years now a person who shared a ministry with me in the past did wrong to our church and left. well that person works in the same place i do and has not spoken to me for two years i went up to that person n said that God wants us to have peace… that person did not accept it. i prayed and cried for so long for this person. now im praying for my heart not to turn against this person is very hard to love those who persecute you; so far still in victory because the Lord will fight the battle for me.

    • Linda Roberts permalink

      Camille~~I know how you feel! I went to a church with a woman that kept asking me to come work for her. She asked every week, 2 or 3 times a week, for about 6 months. I finally agreed to work for her and found she was a compleatly different person away from church. I prayed, I cried and I suffered from severe Migraines from working and putting up with this person and her hate. I had never encountered such a person in my life and I began to think I was the problem. For a year and a half this went on. I never said anything to my husband or anyone else for that matter, thinking I was at fault. I tried talking to her about what I was wittnessing in her character and she told me there was nothing wrong with the way she thought. If people didn’t like the way she thought then “tough crap”. There was nothing God fearing in her attitude and her every thought was centered on hate. I had had enough and talked to my husband about what I faced everyday and why I wanted to quit work. He told me nothing I was feeling was wrong, that he had also felt she was different away from the church enviroment and was concerned with what I had to work with everyday. He didn’t say anything to me because I hadn’t said anything to him. He just kept me in his prayers. The next day I went in and gave my 2 wk notice. She ripped me apart and told me I was most ungrateful and I had no business knowledge at all. She also told me I should be lucky she didn’t bring me before the church on charges of conduct unbecoming a christian leader. But for my husbands standing in the church she would keep quiet and not say a word. I was so floored that I didn’t know what to say. I left and never said a word about the incident to anyone at my church but for my best friend and husband. She prayed with me that this would quietly be resolved between my former boss and I and no one at church would be the wiser. After about 2 months my former boss approached me again and asked if I would come back to work for her and I told her no but thank you for asking. I was so upset with her and was having a hard time forgiving her and all she had said and done to me that I finally had to find another church. I took me about 2 years to forgive her. And that was with a lot of prayer and tears. I finally told God he was bigger than me and my problems that he had to take over. I couldn’t forgive her without his help. After 2 years I was able to forgive and move on. I have had to let go and let God handle it. She is not a happy person and has never been able to accept friendship from anyone. She did tell me once after I had invited her and her girls over for dinner one time,” I don’t need friends, I have my girls! Don’t even try to become my friend because that’s just something I don’t have time for and don’t want”. I had never been so verbally slapped in the face before and that hurt! I should have known then what to expect from her but in my own way of thinking I just had to try harder to befriend her. I asumed she had never had someone show her true friendship so it was up to me to show her life would be so much easier and more fun with a friend. I should have ducked, because I didn’t see the kick in teeth coming until it was too late!! But like I said, I have forgiven her and moved on. I’m more happy in Christ because he has let me see all the awesome things I have in my life. His love, the ability to forgive, my awesome family and friends and living each day to the fullest. Claudia may not have any forgiveness in her heart towards me but that’s OK because I know I have forgiven her and I let Christ work through me when ever he wants. Sometimes that’s hard but with the Lords help I will be fine. The Lord will deal with her and I don’t have to sweat the small stuff. Let it go. Let the Lord bring that person around. That is the Lords problem to handle. All you need to do is pray for that person!!! I’ll be praying for you!!! Keep me posted on how things are working out. email–roberts-5@hotmail.com or FB–lkroberts5@yahoo.com
      God bless you in this hard time!! Linda Roberts

  20. When God uses us we have the confort of the Holy Spirit, and we know we are doing God’s will. When Satan uses someone that person doesn’t have a clue. They feel the urge to do evil but not really knowing where it comes from. If Satan made himself known to the person he is using, that person would more than likely resist. This is why we are to love these people, and to pray for them. Pray their eyes are opened to the truth, and that the Holy Spirit comes upon them.

  21. Sharon permalink

    Years ago I might have said thats coincidental that this link appeared after a not so nice episode not an hour ago.
    It’s so hard to turn the other cheek when so much abuse and hate is thrown at you, my only sin I think is that I breathe.Or maybe it’s because I love the Lord so much and it’s like a red rag to a bull.
    Either way I need much prayer to stand firm and be loving and compassionate in response to this person.

    • Linda permalink

      Oh, Sharon, the battle that rages within when we are blatantly attacked! I have to dive into Psalms and weep and pray there, face to the ground so that the Lord can remind me that He is the avenger, the orchestrator. My only job is to bless them and forgive them immediately before their words can take root! And Satan won’t stop there. I must continue to bless and forgive. I’ve had some major attacks in my life, Sharon and that is the only way out. Thank God He has made the way. He has delivered me out of them all! And in time you will see how He has moved over the adversary in response to the prayer of His own child. Love never fails.

    • wendi d permalink

      Sharon, Stand on God’s word. I don’t know if this will help, but when my husband would lash out at me with the ugliest things I have ever heard in my life, the only thing I could do to keep my sanitiy was to pray the Lord’s prayer over and over in my head. I had to purposefully tune him out and pray. Hope that helps : )

      • Kathy permalink

        Wendi, you are right to leave your husband – not divorce him, but simply get away from him. God doesn’t expect you to live with abuse. Pour on the prayer and ask your church to do likewise. You said he is a Christian, but you also said he would lash out at you with the ugliest things you’ve ever heard in your life. You also said he is an alcoholic. He has bigger problems than a simple “come into my heart, Jesus” prayer will solve. He has demons – evil spirits of alcoholism and rage. You can command those demons to leave in the name of Jesus – and pray that your husband will recognize his need and be willing to get help. I think AA does some good, but God does it better! People who go to AA don’t always stay sober. They eventually fall off the wagon. (The demon is still hanging around.) If your husband really did give his heart to the Lord, then he should have a desire to change and want people to pray for him – at least, in his sober moments. I apologize if this doesn’t make sense to you or seems too harsh.

  22. mikia permalink

    I disagree with those who say to let the trolls have access to the sites. There are other believers who should be protected from these hateful words designed to uproot them from the kingdom. Not all believers have the same maturity level. Some are new and still learning and hungry. You don’t allow snakes to feed a baby. Yes we pray and love the trolls but we must consider the impact they have on other souls.

    • Tavita permalink

      Mikia, I absolutely agree with you. I suggest responding to EVERY troll’s comment with, “I’m sorry you feel this way,” and not a word more.

    • Anna Hayes permalink

      Mikia;
      I completely agree with you; while some Christians are ready for meat, some still are on milk only and cannot tolerate being fed by snakes. In an open chat room there are all levels of Christians, or even some searching to find faith altogether. Of course Satan will do his best to sabotage all efforts at spreading the word of God, so we must be diligent at protecting the baby Christians as best as we can.
      There are no easy answers to protecting us from the on-line “trolls” who go out of their way to post pornographic material on our sites merely to be hateful and mean. Yes, we can pray for them, ignore their efforts, etc., but we cannot allow them to stop us from putting out God’s word and supporting each other in prayer and faith.
      God bless you all.

    • Coke permalink

      I seriously don’t get why don’t you (all) ask your god for help if you believe in him.

  23. angikuebler permalink

    Uhh , my brothers actually a troll and when he finds this page , it will get the shit kicked out of it!

  24. Christopher permalink

    just because we are Christians doesnt mean it is easy loving people who are hateful towards us. its simple to love people on the outside and dislike them on the inside but i think that when Jesus said those things he eant we had to truly love them on the inside as well as out and care what happens to them. its our duty as followers of Christ to bring God into peoples lives who otherwise wouldnt have figured out that He is the way! All of the readings from the Bible page on facebook and comments from this page havehelped me realize all of this

  25. helen permalink

    I really believe trolls come wanting to see. Sometimes unable to see things are confusing to them…therefore if maybe we pray for them while continuing our walk with Christ…..then I’ll bet what they might see and hear from those Christians might be the gift they need. God Bless all

  26. Every time I open my facebook page I am blessed by your efforts, please don;t be discouraged. Your scriptures are seeds in season and grow to produce much fruit. God bless you for your diligence and positive attitude, and remember the reason God came was for the trolls. We just gotta ask Him for His Love – thats the tough part!

  27. It is very hard to pray for an abuser. But it is very important. It could be the only way that they see there is something special in the love of Christ. In the ugliness of the world today don’t you think a kind word or act might get someone to see that God is still present and works great deeds in his followers. In some cases the abusers are so astonished that someone could care enough to pray for them that they can see the wrong and be open to the invitation of Jesus in their lives. God does work in miraculous ways. Also ILynn, I can understand your anger toward a child abuser and there is nothing wrong with that anger as long as it is righteous anger and does not consume you. Always continue to fight these horrible crimes but do it in a way that is pleasing to God. I know the effects of sexual abuse and how it is a life changing event in a childs life as it was in mine. Maybe at the same time you are fighting to stop the abuse with you anger you can us the same determination in trying to help someone who has been abused. They need so much love and prayer.

  28. Gail permalink

    I want to share something I have learned, and am mainly thinking here of Camille.
    For a long time I fretted and stewed over my son, he had been so very hurt by the divorce of his father and I. I cried and fussed at God over how my son was acting, this went on for 10 years, then one day as I was once again talking to God about this, feeling like I had failed my son, like it was all my fault..God said to me

    “WHAT makes you think this is about YOU!. You are blocking everything I am trying to do with Josh, leave him to Me”.

    Well, I can tell you that stopped me dead in my tracks, my jaw on the ground. I did not realize my fretting and stewing, wringing my hands, etc., was blocking God from my son. I repented and have not done it since and I can tell you within days changes started happening. God has been working on my son just fine all by Himself for the last 4 years and I am at peace now, not interfering (though I had no clue I was interfering until He told me I was.)

  29. Sharlotte Hughes permalink

    You can do an alternative to a chat room by opening a private “group” on facebook. Put the settings to private so that people have to ask to join the group. That way if they are a troll you can remove them and ban them.

    In a group you can start a discussion for each day or topic or whatever and members can post replies to it.

    It is not instantaneous like a chat room but will work quite well for ongoing discussions.

    Just a thought. 🙂

    • Kathy permalink

      Mark Brown already has groups – Praying People, The Bible, I Expect God To Act, Journey Deeper Into God’s Word and his own personal Mark Brown. The chat room was something extra because he saw a need for it.

  30. Toni-Renee Garner permalink

    I visited the prayer room before going to bed. I had a lot of little gripes and worries until I read of the real worries and suffering of others seeking prayer. I was moved to tears. I went through and tried to read as many prayer requests as I could and prayed for each person. It would be a shame to let the bullies win. When we all pray together, miracles happen. People who need prayer (and that would be all of us) need this powerful option; if we pray for one another we are unblocking enumerous blessings!

  31. Thanks Mark. I really needed this. My heart has been breaking as our church is going through a major trial. One side is continually trying to show love while the other side is determined to get their way and to accuse others of all sorts of things. I cannot describe the pain this has caused but it’s funny because lately your blogs & the scriptures that apply to this specific situation have popped up on my facebook at the exact time I need to hear them. Thanks a lot! J

  32. Your message today struck on the very thing I commented on earlier this morning. I am tired of people using abusive language, it is not intelligent, appreciated, or encouraging. I asked that these people improve themselves with better verbiage and use intelligence instead of foul language. I likened it to graffitti to the eyes on this venue. Thanks so much for the message.

  33. Brother Mark, I depend on your messages to get me through the day. Even tho i contenuously pray to our Heavenly Father God, this is a blessing for me to be able to read true Christian posts. I HAD A SCRE THIS MORNING BUT I PRAYED AND THEN GOT ON LINE TO READ YOUR MESSAGES!!!!! We thought my husband was having a heart attack but it was just an anxiety attack, which usbad enough! Thank GOD we have a leader like you! I need special prayer for my husband AND my family who are in court today. Please pray that my 8 yr. old grand-daughter gets to stay here with the only family she has known! She,to be 8 yrs. old can discuss God with anyone and attends church with her aunt and uncle every week!

  34. Melinda permalink

    Do not cast your pearls before swine!

    Loving them does not mean condoning their behavior. Does God condone their behavior?

    Pray for them.

  35. It’s easy to forgive those who abuse us, but what about the cyberbullies who stalk children. Grown adults who harass and abuse little kids.

  36. There is an implication in this post that “trolls” are your enemies. The dichotomy that has been created to separate out people that you view as rude perpetuates lopsided forums. The fact that the perceived threat is exacerbated by a “troll’s” reluctance to have real discussion shows this: most of the time people who hold to non-theistic tendencies feel pressure to accept theism and convert. Whether intentionally or not, posts like these and their comments produce that feeling; comments about keeping forums open to try and get people to accept god create an environment where discussion is difficult, if not impossible. Frequently, the rudeness you perceive in “troll” comments is a reaction to the closed discussion that already exists. If non-theistic individuals wanted you to contemplate their point-of-view and potential switch to non-theism, would you be open to that?

    • cheryl permalink

      If I went to a website that perpetuated a non-theistic point of view then I should assume I would be there to better understand that subject. Not to curse and sling hate towards the subject I know nothing about.

  37. Cheryl permalink

    I worked with a person that was loud,rude & most of all professed to be a Christian. I work at a University & she could not keep her hands off the guys. She wore also very reveling clothes. I was in constant pray because I just couldn’t stand what I would see her doing. I learned to stay away from her. I wouldn’t eat with her. I only talked to her when I had to. She had a difficult time with this attitude of mine. But God was protecting her & me. I learned from God that she is a troll & trolls deserve love & understanding. I understand her I just don’t like her very much & that’s ok. God didn’t ask me to like everyone but to accept them for who they are. I don’t have to like her actions but she is a child of God. She has cancer of the eye now & I pray that she comes through her ordeal & that the drs can help her. She is also an alcoholic & I just pray she finds help. On her last day of work she told me off & called some very harsh names. But that was ok. I didn’t listen I removed my mind & really didn’t hear. I just sat & prayed for her. How do people who don’t know God go through the Trolls in our life? I’m grateful for the Trolls they keep in God’s word without knowing it.

    I was told when I was a child that I was a prayer warrior. I don’t go to church but I try to stay in the Word. I pray a lot & the fun thing is no one knows how much I do pray. God has given me so much. I learned to talk to him like I talk to my friends. When I have a difficult time talking to him I write him letters. I have MS & sometimes what is in my brain & what I want to say doesn’t come out the same way. I’m so grateful that my God is an understanding God & knows exactly what I want to say. I am so very blessed. I know God has a plan for me & that he puts Trolls in my life not to test me but to be grateful for the life I have the friends I have & most of all the family that I have. God is loved & he loves me unconditionally. No matter what I do or say he will always love me.

  38. Brenda permalink

    Notice how Jesus said not to retaliate? But also notice how much time He spent with those who were willing to listen; those who desired to follow Him. He spoke in parables around the trolls then shared the more intimate things with those who loved Him. He also sent the disciples out to say and do the things He said and did and told them…

    “… to take nothing with them except a walking stick–no food, no traveler’s bag, no money. 9 He told them to wear sandals but not to take even an extra coat. 10 ‘When you enter each village, be a guest in only one home,’ he said. 11 ‘And if a village won’t welcome you or listen to you, shake off its dust from your feet as you leave. It is a sign that you have abandoned that village to its fate.’
    12 So the disciples went out, telling all they met to turn from their sins. 13 And they cast out many demons and healed many sick people, anointing them with olive oil.”
    Mark 6:8-13 NLT

    Thanks for sharing everyone! : )

  39. thats a pretty tall order that Ive been dealing with several years now.Ive been praying for an answer to resolve this very problem.

  40. Heidie permalink

    Well I must admit that it is definately NOT an easy task to be able to love your abusers and show 100% forgiveness especially in the eyes of a child. I have a teenage daughter who was abused by her father and has grown hatred in her heart where he is concerned. I read with her and pray with her that he may find his way to the lord and that she will find the strength to be able to look into her heart and show genuine forgiveness as Jesus would. I am hoping that with constant reminders that we are all human and all do make mistakes, along with the fact that we are members of a very close church family that we can walk her through this unscaved and a mush stronger and better person.

  41. Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ – Philippians 1:27

    Do not fight over words it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. (2 Timothy 2:14)

    Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. (Ephesians 4:29)

    You must put away every kind of bitterness, anger, wrath, quarreling, and evil, slanderous talk. Instead, be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you. (Ephesians 4:31-32)

    Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. (2 Timothy 2:23-24)

    Do not rebuke a scoffer, or he will hate you. (Proverbs 9:8)

    Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge. (Proverbs 14:7)

    If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Romans 12:18)

  42. Crystal Ingalls permalink

    My mother was alcoholyc when I was growing up. She blames me for her addiction and lots of other things that went wrong in her life and the lives of her other 3 children. She tried to get me to commit suicide so she could have a pity party with her friends. My daughter is now alcoholic. She is the same way my moyher was and is. My daughter also blames me for all the bad in her life. Every convrsation we have ends up in an argument and her hanging up on me. This helped put it in the prper light. I don’t want to be a door mat or victim. I love my mother and daughter but I can’t change things for them or make things perfect. Thank you

  43. Mark, I’m so glad you posted this. There is a FB page that I was hoping you could lift up and encourage. It’s the only one I’ve been able to find. The name of it is Teen Jesus Freaks. Created (I think) by teens for teens to spread the gospel as well as encourage one another. These kids are making our Father so proud, however as hard as it us for an adult not to react negatively to these trolls, its even harder for them.

    Possibly you could send them some encouragement. I do ask all of those who are reading this if you could please add and share these little soldiers of ours with your friends I just know God will use these trolls to catapult this page for teens, into hundreds more pages of youths standing together and loving our Lord united with other kids and adults. Thank you for all that you do and I proudly follow you as you change the method but never the Message!

  44. Carol permalink

    It helps to remember that the people who oppose us in life are never the real enemy we are facing. Eph 6:12 says that we don’t war against flesh and blood, but against forces of darkness in the spiritual realm. The word also says that our spiritual weapons (love for example) are powerful. Human beings do all kinds of things that are just plain nasty, but it is because of some evil influence they have (inadvertently) yielded to. If we respond to them in like manner, we are choosing to yield to the same evil influence.

    Instead, God tells us to love our enemies and that we overcome evil with good. He wouldn’t tell us to do it if He wasn’t planning to empower us to do it, i.e., He surely knows the limitations of our flesh. But He equips us to partner with Him in bringing light into dark places because He is amazingly kind and generous and awesome. He allows His victories to become our shared victories because He is just such an awesome dad. Psalm 18 is a great description of that process. He literally stooped down to make us great — coming to us as a helpless child in order to gather His beloved and allow us to participate in His humiliation of the enemy. What an unspeakable privilege!

    Regarding the chat room issue, I’m sure He’s chuckling to himself. Everytime a “pre-Christian” joins a blog with the intention of messing with us, they inadvertently receive some truth. And then many believers begin to pray for them and their days as an unbeliever are numbered! Go God!!

    And thanks so much for all you are doing — in heaven you will get to meet all the people who have been impacted by your efforts!!

  45. sheryl permalink

    In Hyde Park, where I live, on Thursday July 29, a husband shot his wife in front of his 3 kids & then committed suicide when the daughter called the police. In this case the legal system failed, the husband was just released out of jail from the wife calling police for domestic violence. Im in a similar position myself right now, where the legal system is complicating evrything & making it worse & making my sons father more angry at me! Im scared i will be the next victim. My sons father is very angry & the best solution would be to end the relations , but there is a child involved. So what to do, follow the legal procedures, but this is making everything worse & causing more anger & arguements , due to miscommunication between everyone involved including lawyers, CPS, and then lawyers have other lawyers covering for them too, & this is complicating the case & causing more confusion. I pray for the father because its the only choice left. But this doesnt seem to help. He is like one of these trolls.

    • I am so sorry to hear of your troubles.Indead it is a sad world when love turns to anger and bitterness and it seems you are in such a dark hole you cant dig your way out….I wish I could tell you to be strong and leave and I wish I could tell you to stick it out but I am not one for advice. Just know I am praying that God interceedes and that his will is done and although your heart may be broken I pray your body will not be. Noone needs to tell you what to do about this situation, you already know, But I am here to listen if you need.

  46. Joe permalink

    I agree with Mark on removing yourself from the relationship and closing the page. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. You have trolls aggravating people, and you have people getting aggravated. It all works together to frustrate the purpose of the page.

    On the other hand the testing of our faith produces perseverance. Look at the “visible church” vs. the “invisible church.” The visible church is made up of believers and non-believers that claim to be believers. The invisible church is the ones that are truly followers of Christ. Jesus said to let the wheat and the tares grow together and He would be the one to pull up the tares and throw them into the fire. That takes trust in God to be able to put up with the tares that try to grow and wrap themselves around the wheat and choke it, and sometimes it does indeed feel like we’re literally being choked off. But God already told us this would happen in order to cause the true wheat to grow.

    So the decision is complicated. Does Mark shut down the page out of love for his fellow wheat, or does he keep the page out of hope that somehow the tares will turn into wheat (which is possible with God), or does He have faith in God and let God be God? Seeing how faith without hope is dead, and hope without faith is arrogance, you bind the two together out of love and glorify God, the whole purpose of the page.

    The Bible is clear on church discipline in this matter. You try in every way possible to rectify the situation out of love, but if the person refuses to repent after much longsuffering on our part you put distance between you and they and have faith that God’s purpose will prevail, with hope that the sinner will be brought to repentance. All the while waiting to receive them back. What does light have to do with darkness?

  47. I am going to to trie sending this, if it go’s through. I’ll trie another fellow up ! Read you in mourning Mark, and praying for your strength. Louis.

  48. It is such a shame that such a wonderful chat room had to be stopped because of these people who do not know the love of our Lord! My prayer is for its return very soon. It was such a blessing!

  49. Theresa Avington permalink

    Boy did I need this. Going through something now that this hit it on the nose. Now I can better explain it to the person and to others who don’t understand the decision I made. Thanks

  50. cheryl permalink

    The use of the name “troll” is not about little gnomes living under a bridge. It is a term for someone who is “trolling” or reeling in another, as in trolling for fish. The “trolls” are throwing out thoughts or ideas to get you to “bite”. And unfortunately too many Christians do just that. It starts then an argument and an opportunity for both sides to show their “knowledge” on a particular subject. Too often it becomes a game of one upmanship as the arguing goes back and forth.
    As Christians, we should answer somone truthfully if they have a sincere interest. But to respond to ugly accusations with bible verses doesn’t really get to the heart of the matter. It is difficult to love another over the internet when they are throwing attacks. The goal is not that they are trying to understand God or the things of God but just basically to goad you on. So, stop. It’s as easy as that. And pray. Maybe God will change their hearts and if they are truly being drawn by the Lord they might just start asking relevant questions that they are willing to listen to the answers to. Otherwise you are just feeding the fire.

    • Cheryl,

      Thank you for the comments that you made. You are so right. I have been guilty of that myself. Arguement and nothing accomplished. It doesn’t do any good. I just get all the more upset. That is when I need to turn to the Lord in prayer. Like you said stop and pray.

  51. Beth permalink

    Thank you.

  52. Dorie permalink

    Amen, and AMEN!!! A very early contemporary Christian song says: “Must be doin’ sometning right – got the devil real uptight”. Mark, I pray blessings on your ministry as it brings light to the world.

  53. Mark, for sometime now I’ve appreciated your following of Gods Word. After being involved with prisoners for a lot of ( not mention ministries ) years, you may believe i’ve seen things that were un’likeable. Still, after all these years my understanding is….there’s not alot of work on the top of the mountain, ( that where the Father works on you ) its down in the valleys, where the real work of God begins. There’s no surprise that many in our body of Christ are happy to stay on top of mountain, Amen ( agreed ) ? Still, faith that will be stronger… must go through all valleys, giving Father God all He needs to help us grow into the man or woman that will bring Him GLORY & PRAISE. Ulgly sometimes is beautiful. Rev.timeout777

  54. Madelein permalink

    Its such a pitty to have trolls like this in our lives I do have alot of these type of trolls in my live and to let them loose is another story,they are absolutely destroying a persons life,and the only thing I can do is to ask God to just give me the strenght to forgive them.May GOD be with all the trolls in the world

  55. Liz Suppes permalink

    Good for you Mark. That is exactly what Jesus preached- love your enemies. It’s easy to love those that love us – not so easy to love those who hate us. I believe that’s what Scripture really means when it say love conquers all. Love will quiet hate and stop people in their tracks. It’s not the normal response in the world and we are called to be “abnormal”. Here’s to all you “abnormal” Jesus followers outh there. One person at a time – that’s how we win the world to Him!

  56. Troll’s is that what we call them, How about the Advisary, the Deciever, the Divel with the Blue dress on, I was invted to this web site, as well as tagged, i post with my friends and family, as well as my kids. as well as posting and, chatting, others from the past, resurface as well, The smittened ones , they come on facebook, and gleem about thier kids, and praise themselfs, While as the Lone Ranger ( remember him ) try to hide their true identity. Abusive parents, lyeing grandma, Lived only for themselfs, misstreated their children, continuaslly, and moveing on to hide, avoding reconidion. and continue to complain, when you post on your childrens site, not on theirs, because, they feel vitimized, i for one have never, commented on their sites, i comment on my kids site, so how are thry hurt, they too can comment on the comment site and fly under satans radar, to avoid being saught out. i make comments only. not remarks, this is supposed to be a religious site, so dont judge. or support Satans work. no one else is complainingj just the Witch, and her Witch mom. Hope you understand, enjoy the weekeng..Any remarks to these two were, never degrading

  57. Pray not for the Man, but pray for his soul.

  58. Kathy permalink

    I think some of you who believe that the trolls should have free reign do not realize that we are not just talking about bullies here. Some trolls post very filthy, pornographic comments. Would you subscribe to a porn magazine or porn website? If not, then why should we be seeing it on Facebook groups that are dedicated to the Lord?

  59. I remember when I 1st started using the discussion board. Someone named Robert Weigle called me a Troll as I told Robert he was being mean. It really hurt my feelings and I told him I was no Troll. Well I only used he discussion board a few more times due to the anger displayed on board. Went back a few nights ago and it’s not there anymore. Thank you Mark for banning the mean people. But then again, was it the right thing to do?…We’ll never know, ya know!!

  60. Gaye permalink

    Thankyou Mark.
    When I read your wisdom I can see clearly that I have so far to go with my Christian maturity.I have a real problem with my boss at work.She has defamed my name all over the small area that we live & work & although I have calmly approached her about it I still harbour great resentment.I know that I need to love her………….please pray for me

  61. lLYNN permalink

    TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED IN ANY WAY, BE IT MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY,OR SEXUALLY IT WAS WRONG,AND I KNOW IT HURT.ABUSE OF ANY TYPE IS WRONG, NOT ONLY TO ME, BUT ALSO IN THE EYES OF GOD.YES,I GET VERY ANGRY WHEN I HEAR OF CHILDREN BEING ABUSED,OR OF SPOUSAL ABUSE, WHICH I ALSO ENDURED. BUT NO, I AM NOT ABOUT TO GO OUT AND KILL ANYONE. VENGENCE IS MINE ,AND I WILL RECOMPENCE GOD SAYS. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO TO TRY TO AVENGE MYSELF OR ANYONE ELSE. BUT I HAVE A VERY HARD TIME TRYING TO PRAY FOR THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES. SO I PRAY GOD HELP ME TO PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE FEELING THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN, BUT REMEMBERING THAT I DIDN’T DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN EITHER. AND I PRAY THAT YOU SOMEHOW GIVE THE JUDGES A KNOWING OF HOW MUCH THE CHILD SUFFERS AND THE DAMAGE THAT IS DONE SO THAT STIFFER SENTENCES WILL BE GIVEN FOR THESE CRIMES TEACH THEM THE TRUE VALUE OF A CHILDS LIFE. AND PLEASE HELP US GET LAWS PASSED SO THAT LAW OFFICIALS WILL START LOOKING FOR MISSING CHILDREN IMMEDATELY INSTEAD OF WAITING 24 HOURS. LORD, CHILDREN DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP AND PROTECTION. AND LORD HELP THOSE WHO SUFFER THE EFECTS OF PAST ABUSE TO FORGIVE THEIR ABUSERS AND TO HEAL THEIR HEARTS AND MEND THEIR WOUNDED SOULS IN JESUS NAME , AMEN

  62. pastor john permalink

    when considering holyness as in be ye holy as i am holy. one must consider this an atainable measure of faith. so what is holyness. might i suggest that true holyness as in relationship betweenGod and people is thatGod in his mercy would do any thing to retore people to a proper relationship to himself at all cost and dificulty and to any expense to himself to acheive this goal holyness is thus discribed. so then as an example unholy would be described as this to do anything at any cost to walk over put down lie about to achieve advantage over to cheat steal go to war over to gain some objective to improve ones own statess possition or finacial gain at any cost to someone else to benifit yourself unholy… so then to be holy as gGod is holy one must not only have this mind set but also must be their lifestyle practise to do for others to help to encourage tolead them to present them as prefered over oneself at any unreasonable expense to ones own person. yes this is true and basic marterism in a day of dieing vertuse holyness thus discribed is atainable to all. holynes is not some imagined type of angelic level of purity but an honest example of the Lords true mercy for all humans every ware let us be holy.

  63. Susie Davis permalink

    Sometimes I will reply/comment if it’s not too bad. I pray for each troll and if I have to ban them, I do. It’s sad that they reject the Truth and Jesus, but hopefully they will accept later. All we can do is either plant or water that seed. They may be really secretly searching for the Truth.

    • James Rimmer permalink

      I liked your comments alot. Do you think sometimes they do it to test your reaction or response? Christ like responses are a surprise sometimes to bad behavior.

  64. Kacy permalink

    I was wondering if there was a way to make the chat be a part of the facebook page that you could only get on or into by being a friend of the page first? That way the trolls who have been blocked can not go into the chat room. New trolls would have to continued to be blocked as they arrive, but at least “friends” could chat about prayer requests and our love for the Lord.

  65. Mark,
    I’m sure I am one of your so called TROLL’S. I’ll again try to reach you here as well as I have on many of you other pages. I ask you to debate me on the false name of Jesus. I have continually sent you messages questioning the use of the FALSE NAME JESUS! As I do today. How come you continue to PROMOTE the FALSE NAME OF JESUS? When you know JESUS NAME IS FALSE and by every Biblical test is THE ANTICHRIST!

    Tell the TRUTH Mark, You keep deleting the pages because you don’t want people like me to come and EXPOSE THE FACTS AND TRUTH TO YOUR FOLLOWERS!

    Danger Jesus was not Christs name. Both Jesus and Esus a Satanic Human Hating God have the same names.

    CHRISTS NAME IS YAHSHUA! YAHSHUA MEANS YAHWEH IS SALVATION JUST AS HALLALUYAH MEANS PRAISE YAHWEH!

    YAHWEH IS THE FATHER, And I Honor you for using it as I have seen you do below.

    YAHSHUA IS THE SON, THE MESSIAH, THEN CHRIST!

    Like I said before DEBATE ME! Felix Kunstler aka Djice9 and Spread the truth to your people. Because with one click of your mouse you can save Millions of souls, or You can continue to spread the FALSE NAME OF JESUS and be labeled a false prophet.

    ACTS 4:12 NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN THAT SAVES US!

    JESUS WAS NOT CHRISTS NAME!!!!

  66. Bobby Simpson i know of Gods love..but the Bible also teaches that we are not to allow certain things messin with us and the temple and we are the temple, jesus threw out the merchants from the temple.and when the perverts of sodom and gomorrah were destroyed by God, lot and his ppl were told not to even look back or consider them..love them if u will, but turn them over to God let him handle them, but we, u and i, do not have to put up with their trolliness..PTL

  67. Jim Gourlay permalink

    It is a weakness of poor thinking fools

  68. Victoria permalink

    This just shows that God is always working! My friend Robin and I were just on facebook, getting everyone we knew to tell this girl “Happy Birthday” because another ‘troll’ wrote some nasty things trying to make her feel bad and fell like no one cared about her day. We were talking about how to show people that ‘trolling’ isn’t okay. Then this link popped up on my new feed, and am in awe. God is amazing.

  69. Rebbeca permalink

    This Surley helped. I do feel sorry for the trolls. But you know without them, there would be no good but only evil. Am I right? But yes, I will surley love all my trolls for now on! 😀

  70. Norz permalink

    we cannot please everyone with what we do and intend to do. So, if they cause you harm and insults, let it come to pass cuz its not healthy to argue with people who just can’t accept your views. Its a matter of accepting and respecting each other no matter how it displeases you. You can rebuke in a manner that will not hurt and that your criticisms will be constructive rather the destructive. Neway these trollies don’t have that kinda thinking so you just might as well ignore them…

  71. KLS permalink

    Recently at work I was threatened with consequences if I befriended someone. I did so anyway and I went from being told I was doing outstanding to being told I was under acheiving .The person undermining me to my superior. It has been very stressful i keep reminding myself to pray for that person:(

  72. this is a good thing to read…. i love God and Jesus SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!! And i will NEVER stop loving them… EVER!!!!! LOVE GOD!!!

  73. LOVE YOU GOD….. AMEN!!!!

  74. Katherine Howard Jones permalink

    Gail – God gave you the word and anyone can find such support for getting out of God’s way by prayer and 12Steps of AlAnon or Codependents Anonymous. God loves our surrender to Him and it is so powerful when we do so. I need this reminder again and again. Thank you for your testimony.

  75. wendi d permalink

    Thank you Kathy! What you said makes perfect sense. I have decided that if he wants to divorce me, he can do it. I’m tired. I have prayed and prayed for the demons to leave him, I still have hope. What I see inside is a very hurt man who doesn’t realize he doesn’t have to feel that way anymore. Our church friends continue to pray, though at times I tell them to just stop because it isn’t working hee hee.( I get discouraged just like everyone else.) And you are right about AA, it’s good to an extent, but God can do it better!!!! I’m sad to say this isn’t my first rodeo. I have been here before. Somehow this time seems different to me because I have God in my life and I did not before.I have noticed many changes in myself as opposed to the way I handled it the previous times. Thank you for your response, encouragement, and prayers. God Bless you and yours

  76. kristy white permalink

    THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT TROLLS IS LUKE 15:4

  77. Sarah permalink

    Some people may consider me a troll. I was hurt BADLY at church…….I guess what hurt worse than anything was that I didn’t expect it IN CHURCH….and I began doing and saying the harshest things possible to prove to everyone that what they thought I was wasn’t who I was.

    I got accused of chasing a man because I asked questions (out of fear, by the way) and people talked to me like I was following a man around and declaring my undying love for him and how much I need him…..so I slandered him….hard….on purpose……because I was DETERMINED to prove to them that no I wasn’t chasing him, as a matter of fact the very idea that I even was attracted to him at all not only scared me, it downright made me angry……
    I was pissed…..
    and here I was being faced with the accusation of being a man chaser. I heard the man finds a wife way too many times…..as if that even applied to me….I was just asking questions cuz I was scared, I never asked the man out to dinner or told him I loved him and that we should be married….but ofcourse that’s how I was treated……
    so I never forgave them. I still haven’t to be honest. And every chance I would get I would make myself clear in posts……and sometimes I would trash them and trash them hard…refering to them as church people or church women….
    sometimes I slammed men hard….really really hard…..or even the guy (without saying his name) Cuz I was pissed and I wanted EVERYBODY TO KNOW….that I didn’t chase men, I hated that there was anything in me that would even allow me to be attracted to them at all…..I HATED THAT PART OF MY HEART….I hated it…I’m still not too fond of it…..
    and I’m still angry that church people with all kinds of discernment were that clules…
    so every now and then I find myself slamming people……
    I just deleted a bunch of people from my church today after I realized that ultimately I was still tryna prove that I wasn’t a man chaser to them…….
    eventhough you would think my coldness and my lack of approachability and my serious face all the time at my church where I barely ever even crack a smile, especially not with a man, and my staunch hardened ignoring of men particularly the man in question would make it clear….
    but somehow……
    I STILL think people think what they think….that I’m a man stalker even though I’ve gone overbord to prove that I’m not…..
    still hurts actually…
    neways.
    SER

  78. ZiaStorm permalink

    This is the tuffy, loving your enemies. I look at it as not the same as the love I have for Christ but my love of Christ in praying for them. Remember, even Jesus was angered and railed against the moneychangers who were denigrating the temple by being there. He threw them out. I think there are times when you must stand up for your beliefs. Yet, pray for their souls.

  79. This is so awesome. How many people are commenting positively on this, how many members the Facebook pages the man that created this article/sermon has, and just how open the Christians on Facebook are to showing their faith!!

  80. Queenie permalink

    I often say, “I hate people.” And ALL of the time the people around me agree with me and then we have a laugh. But, what I really mean is that I HATE THE SIN of the people that cause me pain or hurt or discomfort. And in turn I am rude or sullen or dismissive of them. It’s a vicious circle and a downward spiral.

    Who can rescue me from this tortured existence? Only Jesus Christ. And, really, often I imagine him running from me to get as far away from my wrath as He can. I’m such a wretch. It is physically painful for me to actually pray for someone who has hurt me. I have watched my husband, when he has been hurt or his good nature abused by others. I rise to his defense and yet he always tells me I should understand where they are coming from and to feel for them. I try … but I’m not very successful. :/

  81. James Rimmer permalink

    Mark,
    Words of wisdom,Jesus is the perfect example of love….when it comes to loving trolls, he always knew what to say and do..what Jesus did and what I do don’t always matchup but I’m realizing that its the sinful man in a person that causes someone to be a “troll” and that’s not who God created. See them separate from the sin, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image..
    If we are in Him we are dead to sin and alive in Christ, right? and trolls can be too. For God so love the troll he gave his only son. Keep sharing the gospel boldly.Keep praying for the trolls in our life because Jesus changes the heart of stone to a heart of flesh.
    -Peace
    -James Rimmer

  82. carriethomas permalink

    You know am new on here but all the things you all talk about is good you know I think people that do wrong by Gods lil babes should have to pay big time .am a mother of 4 love able babe 3,6,9,and 5 months and I wood have to do a lot of prayin so I would not hurt that preson when you do wrong by the babes your doing wrong by God to . A men .

  83. ANGELA permalink

    Mark i needed that word i thank you for it….

  84. love thy troll, couldn’t agree more, there are so many way of getting rid of people in the non-violence way and usually more gratifying, shame that you had to close down the chat though. I do have a problem though and that is with christians/muslims/hindu (not everyone, a small percentage…) who try to force their religion on me, I’m religious in my way. I don’t go to church but does that mean that I’m a sinner, no. I believe in an omnipotent being but does that mean I have to choose between all the religions, no. I am a non-violent person who just wanna be a decent person and be kind to everyone I meet. But just because I haven’t choosen a certain path in religion (lutheran/catholic etc) christians tend to try to convert me and more often than not, saying I will go to hell otherwise. So thats my troll I got a problem with, don’t force the religion down someones throat with abusing talk and claim that its lords word but talk intelligently and discuss it with me, that works.

  85. Susan permalink

    Wow. Powerful stuff! I fall short in this area but I keep on trying.

  86. jess zering permalink

    thank you so much i love your blog so much please keep writing 🙂

    God Bless You

  87. lLYNN permalink

    please don’t misunderstand me, i get angry at what these peoplehave done, and at the damage that it does to a young child, and also at the short sentences handing down by judges for these crimes. and i get angry when our officers of the law will hunting for a stolen car immedately, but when a child is reported missing, they wait 24 hours before they will go looking for them. they are saying that a car is more valuable than a living breathing child. now what’s wrong with this picture?
    hate, i hate child abuse, i hate spousal abuse, i hate abuse in any way shape or form.IT’S WRONG, ABUSE OF ANY KIND IS WRONG, AND IT HURTS THE ONE BEING ABUSED. ,IT CAUSES DAMAGE TO THE ONE BEING ABUSED, MENTALLY EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND SEXUALLY. TO THE YOUNG LADY WHO REPLIED TO MY POST SAYING YOU WERE ABUSED BY OTHER CHILDREN, I’M SO VERY SORRY YOU WERE ABUSED. YOU SAID IT WASN’T LIKE THE ABUSE I WENT THROUGH. THAT DOESN’T MATTER SWEETIE, IT WAS ABUSE AND IT BROKE YOUR HEART AND WOUNDED YOUR SOUL. SO IT MATTERS TO ME AND TO GOD. I WENT THRU THE NAME CALLING TOO AND I CRIED OCEANS OF TEARS BECAUSE OF IT, AND I’M SURE YOU DID TOO.TO THE OTHERS HERE WHO WERE ABUSED, I PRAY FOR PEACE AND COMFORT FOR YOU FROM THE LORD AND I PRAY HE WILL HOLD YOU NEXT TO HIS HEART UNTIL ALL YOUR TEARS FADE AWAY, AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE COMMITED THESE TYPES OF CRIMES I PRAY THAT GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU .AND YOUR VICTIM( S )WILL ALSO FIND IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO FORGIVE YOU AND YOUR VICTIM( S )WILL ALSO FIND IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO FORGIVE YOU FOR IN FORGIVING YOU THEY WILL GAIN PEACE AND HEALING FOR THEI R FOR IN FORGIVING YOU THEY WILL GAIN PEACE AND HEALING FOR THER WOUNDS. IN JESUS NAME I PRAY, AMEN.,

    AND LORD I HUMBLY ASK YOU TO NEVER ALLOW HATRED FOR ANOTHER PERSON ENTER INTO MY HEART, IN JESUS NAME

    ,

  88. Brad permalink

    Hey man you are so epic. Good old Australia.

  89. What a great name for the nuisance! Trolls! I could not have come up with a better name. The people who have nothing to do but to pester other people are either mentally ill, or otherwise very angry to the world. It has nothing to do with anything you are, do, or say – they are so unhappy people that they have a need to make everyone else around them unhappy as well. The best way to deal with them is to totally ignore them – they will move on if they do not get the response and attention they so badly need. Hang in there, and keep up the good work! God Bless you!

  90. lLYNN permalink

    i know why God me to go through the things i went through. it was preparing me for his calling on my life. He has called to minister to the broken and the broken hearted. and i do exacly that over the internet. God knew i would have a problem with trust and communicating face to face, so He put me onlinewhere i have no fear or trust issues. and i talk to people from all around the world. some just need prayer, and need help and encouragement, and i can give it freely.God will put a person on my heart and forms a connection between us, sometimes for a few days,a couple of weeks, a few months,and some who become close friends for the rest of our lives. and i am truly blessed and honored that God finds me worthy enough to be used by Him even when i’m going through a rough time myself. THANK YOU FATHER GOD FOR YOUR LOVE, YOUR GRACE,AND FOR THE TRUST yOU HAVE IN ME TO DO WHAT yOU HAVE CALLED ME TO. INJESUS NAME, AMEN

  91. Benjie permalink

    Always remember that we are all like trolls spiritually because of sin…we are all justified because of God’s love…through Jesus Christ.

  92. Melanie permalink

    Once again, Mark, you have given me something very timely to think about. I’ve kind of been wondering about this for the past several weeks….thank you.

  93. Lana permalink

    My daughter is in a relationship with a man who is, without a doubt, a sociopath. He is a user and a manipulator and I hate him. I know it is wrong and a sin for me to feel this way but I can’t seem to get myself past what he has done to my family and that my daughter has let it happen. She has two kids, my grandkids and they too are being manipulated. I can’t sever this relationship because she is my daughter, given to me by God to love and to nurture. I don’t know what to do. I pray everyday for God’s guidance, strength and peace but the hate is so intense I can’t find these things I am asking God for. I know our Lord does not want me to feel this way. HELP ME, please!

  94. Steve Gill permalink

    Are we really Christians if we don’t do exactly what Jesus did. “The woman at the Well”. “The dinner at the Tax Collectors Home”. “Paul”(Murderer) “Moses” (Murderer) David (Adulterer).

    This passage is “more than meets the eye”. We need to just do exactly what this passage says and not be like the “others” and seek Gods Righteousness.

    Let us love all today with God’s Love and not the LOVE that the world has poisoned us with. The world has “modeled” us to think about Love in the wrong way.

    Love is “light” and Jesus is the light. Let us go to the “dark” and shine OUR LIGHT.

    Love to all. In Jesus Name… AMEN.

  95. really am SAD REV. that u had 2 close the chat room :{LUVED it:} !!GOD will show another WAY””” GOD BLESS””” gloria beauford

  96. Hello, I was very glad to read what you wrote here. Not only are there Trolls (which I haven’t experienced), there can also be Christians bullies. There is one particular one who races around telling people he is “Following them,” then almost demanding to be “Followed” in return.
    While this person can be nice, he can also attack with a vengence…..
    If he didn’t proclaim to be a Christian it wouldn’t hurt as much. My concern is the damage he may do to a new Christian… I pray God will bless him. I also pray a protection on all who come his way. Thank you.

  97. I believe that the “trolls” should be left on the site and their names placed at the top of the prayer list so we as Children of God can practice what the Lord commanded in Matt 22:37-40;

    37: Jesus said unto him, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    38: This is the first and great commandment.

    39: And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    40: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

  98. Nice Thanks

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